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DSC07738On Christmas 1998, this young couple had been barely dating two months.  They were falling in love and would get engaged about eighteen months later…and marry a year after that.

This picture was taken at my parent’s house on a double date.  My roommate and I made a candlelight dinner (actually we picked up KFC) complete with sparkling grape juice.  Due to the strict Open House policy at our college we had to have the event in my parent’s basement where we could stay as late as we wanted–one of the advantages of having parents in the area.  This is one of the first pictures we have of ourselves as a dating couple (and I just realized my parent’s treadmill is in the background).

DSC07732And this was our first Nativity set…actually I think Rob bought it for his campus apartment long before we were married.  He got it from the Dollar Store.  We always make a joke about it every year.  People have these beautiful Nativity scenes with large figurines and a wooden stable while we have this cheapie “dollar store” one.  Now of course it is so sentimental that it goes up every year.


Isn’t it funny (and maybe a little scary) when your kids verbalize something that sounds like you talking?  Sometimes I hear myself and I think, “That’s my mom!” or “I sound like my dad.”

My parents are celebrating their 44th anniversary this week!  44 years!!  I’m only 1/4 of the way there.  Of course there have been challenges and bumps along the road, but my parents have been a living example for me…and so many others.

I was thinking about some of the funny quotes I remember from each parent…

My cool looking dad in his 70′s garb holding me with Grandma sitting next to him.

From my dad:

“If you’re having fun you don’t have to do it.” i.e. if your older sister is telling you that you HAVE to play game SHE wants to play and if you would rather keep playing your game, that is OK!

“Clean it up, bub.” i.e. stop talking about things that are inappropriate.

Let’s go sports fans!”My dad would say this anytime we were leaving to go somewhere.  We really weren’t “a sports” family aside from watching the Chicago Cubs faithfully throughout the 1980′s.

“If you thought of it, someone has probably done it.” My dad would say this if we came up with a really strange story and asked him if he thought it could really happen.

“Time tweet.”  How my dad would call us for supper.

My dad always told me I am “female” him.  It’s very true.  We have similar personalities and see the world through similar lenses.  My dad has a tremendous heart for people–all people.  My friends often comment how warm and fun loving my dad is.

He was a runner and later a swimmer and still a biker…and now a walker.  Never was a marathon runner or triathlete, but  he took us swimming, biking, and occassionally running.  He took me on bike trips and taught me how to shift gears, follow traffic laws, and push myself when I was feeling tired.  This is something I am already passing down to my kids.  My oldest already loves swimming and biking with me.

My grandma (same grandma that was in the other picture) and my mom enjoying pizza with me (age thirteen) and my younger brother.

From my mom:

Well it didn’t grow legs and walk away.” She would say this anytime we could not find something.  I always pictured an object growing little legs and jumping out the window.

“Eat this and if you’re still hungry you can have more.”I say this to my kids in the exact same way my mom does!  This was my mom’s way of doing “portion control” at meals.

“I’m going to go sit in the brown chair for 15 minutes.”  This was my mom’s refuge to take a much needed break.  We are officially owners of the “brown chair.”  I have plently of brown chair moments although my fifteen minutes somehow gets closer to a half hour…or sometimes longer.

“The food’s not getting any warmer!”  This is what my mom would say if she called us to dinner and we didn’t come right away.  My mom should have just taken our chairs away and banned us from the dinner table.  Disrespectful children not coming when they’re called!

My mom was a master “couponer” before there was Internet and extreme couponing classes.  She could write a whole blog on frugal living and saving money.  My mom is an amazing seamstress.  She made all my girls’ bridesmaid dresses when I got married and has made countless Halloween costumes including ones for my own kids.  I am sorry to say I never followed either path as I am not a coupon clipper and I cannot sew anything.

My mom had the gift of hospitality.  Many people were welcomed in our house and my mom always went the extra mile.  That was a beautiful example to me as I find myself enjoying the art of hospitality and the joys of serving in the church.

Happy anniversary to my mom and dad!

My parents with me and my three kids taken last Christmas.


I grew up as a pastor’s kids, served as a youth director, and now I’m a pastor’s wife.

I have the honor and privilige of being part of an active group on facebook.  You know how of these groups start and then fade.  Well this one is pretty active.  And we had a great conversations about the role of pastors and pastor wives.  I am a pastor’s wife.  I was a pastor’s kid. I’ve learned a thing or two about the ministry in my lifetime.  So here’s what I suggest you can do for own your pastor and his/her spouse.

1)  Please don’t say–”We have to be good because the pastor/pastor’s spouse is around.”  They understand you are making a joke or trying to break the ice.  Your pastor and/or pastor’s wife is not the morality police.  Pastors and PW’s don’t like being labeled “rulekeepers.”  If you took the time to understand your pastor and PW’s responsibilites and interests, you would see their lives are so much more than that.  It’s such an old joke that’s not even funny anymore, so please don’t say it.

2)  Realize your pastor and PW struggle with sins too.  We’re a little shocked when a pastor enters a treatment center for an addiction, gets arrested for embezzlent or goes outside of his/her marriage.  Of course I am not excusing this kind of behavior at all.  Please realize pastors and PWs are not invincible.  They are tempted in every which way you are–sometimes more so.  They have to guard their hearts, marriages, lifestyle choices like you do–and in many ways more so.

3)  Love your pastor’s kids and treat them like regular kids in the church & community.  No matter what their parents profession in, all kids want to be accepted and blend in with the rest of the children.  Don’t label them or expect more from them.

My three kids

4)  Be very careful how you talk about your pastor, his wife, and kids around your own family.  Even young children pick up bits and pieces of your conversation.  No matter how “good” your own children behave, you cannot be assured your words will not make their way to the pastor, his wife, or his children.

5)  Not all pastors and pastor wives struggle with the same things.  I’ve heard pastor wives complain of people calling the parsonage all hours of the day and night or stopping by unannounced.  This is not much of an issue for me.  I was in a forum with a bunch of pastor’s wives who had issues with clothing.  They felt like they had to dress more modestly and buy a whole new wardrobe.  This is a non-issue for me and something I never struggled with.  When you meet a pastor or pastor’s wife, your mind might revert to stereotypes based on your own pastor or the pastor you had growing up or the pastor of the church down the street.  We’re not all the same and our callings are different.

Please don’t feel sorry for your pastor’s wife.  I love my husband.  I love living next door to church.  I have very good friends both in my church and outside of it.  I love getting involved in youth ministry and other areas of my church and community.  I don’t feel sorry for my kids because they are pastor’s kids and I certaintly don’t feel sorry myself that I was one.  Are there times of trials and challenges?  Are there bad days?  Of course.  But we would have that anyway even if God called us to something else.

My husband has been a pastor for five and a half years.


With our economy right now, living “frugal” is in.  We have been living that way for almost ten years now.  It was not easy.  Being a spender is in my DNA and I had to change some unhealthy habits.

Dave Ramsey, the Christian financial guru said “a spender” marries “a saver” I found that to be true.  I love the feeling of leaving a store with a bag of full of new things.  I get a thrill out of looking at my purchases.  I enjoy the rush of winning an Ebay auction and waiting for my package to arrive in the mail.  If I would not have discovered Dave Ramsey on my own nor married a “saver” I would probably be in major debt.  Instead I amwe are debt free!

Rob and I got married in 2001

The year before I married Rob I lived paycheck to paycheck.  I was able to pay most bills by their due date and have money for the necessities. I was not paying the full amount of credit card bills and I was fearing I would never get caught up.  This kept me up at night.  Had some unforseen thing happened like a medical emergency, car accident, or my apartment burning down (which I feared because my neighbors burned candles unattended) I would have been in trouble.

I was looking forward to being married and having the money shared with someone else.  I knew Rob was better at money management than I was.  However, I learned very soon into our marriage that differences create conflict.  It was no big deal to me to take extra money out of the ATM so we could go out to eat.  Why was Rob scared of us spending money?  Now I know you absolutely have to get on the same page or you will have those fights over and over and over.

Somehow (and I say it was a “God thing”) we got on the same page months within our marriage.  I was driving somewhere and had the AM Talk Radio station on. The Dave Ramsey Show was on and he was talking to a gentlemen who had bill collectors calling frequently.  It seemed intriguing and entertaining.  As I listened more, it peaked my interest.  I asked Rob if he had listened to the financial show that was on in the afternoons.  He told me he had been listening to it for a while.  He was afraid to bring it up to me.  He assumed I would have my nose in the air about it and refuse to try the “Dave Ramsey” principles.  I hate to say it, but he was probably right.  I had to discover Ramsey on my own and choose to manage money a new way.  Not my way.  Not Rob’s way.  But OUR way.  Which for the most part is similar to what you will learn if you take the Dave Ramsey Financial Peace University Classes that are offered at churches all over the US.

We never took the classes actually.  We learned all the principles from listening to his radio show.  Back then, we spent much more time commuting and driving places so we often listened to the show in the car. We also went to a full day seminar in Grand Rapids, Michigan hosted by Dave Ramsey.  The seminars now are called Live Events.  We walked away with a clearer understanding and a reinforcement we were managing our money the best way we could.

We really felt that God called us to live this way.  I spent considerable time in places like Romania, Indonesia, & Mexico where people have very, very little.  Then I would go back to the United States and get trapped in the “I need more stuff” mindset only weeks after coming home.  When I got some stuff, I wanted even more.  It never seemed to end.  But I discovered an even greater joy in having financial freedom.  We have been able to do things I never dreamed possible like buying a car and pay for it in full using cash.  I thought only crazy penny pinchers did that!  Well now I am one.

It is such a great feeling buying a vehicle with cash!

Rob and I very rarely argue about money.  It has not always been easy.  There have been times of struggle and even times we started to revert back to the “spender/saver” conflicts.  I will share more about our walk into financial freedom in future posts.

I would love to help others someday because we all know too many couples that suffer in their marriages due to financial problems.  Honestly, that could have been us too if we did not get on the same page.


I greatly respected what Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar said about intimacy in their book A Love that Multiplies.  They reccomend a book for girls called Before You Meet Prince Charming by Sarah Mally which I finished reading.  For the most part I agree with Mally’s points.  The problem I have is the WHOLE book is on purity and preparing yourself for marriage, but  the word “sex” and even “intimacy” is not even mentioned once.  This is also my problem with how the church and the typical Christian youth group in the 1990′s (my era) handled the sex talks with young people.  Especially girls.

Mally encourages girls to wait until their wedding day to share their first kiss.  She refers to a girl kissing  a guy she is not married to as “taking what does not belong to her” and “giving what is not hers to give.”  She says it is basically “stealing.”  Interesting kissing is mentioned, but not sex.

Do I think girls today go too far with their boyfriends?  Yes.  Do I think kids should casually be making out if they are not in a committed relationship with that person?  No, I think it is emotionally destructive.  But it is not the whole story.  It is not the only thing we should be teaching our girls.

She says about physical relationships:

“We are spirit, soul, and body.  The spiritual and physical are rivals (Galatians 5:16 & 17).  The physical always wants to take charge and control us, but we must not let it dominate–especially in the area of relationships.  The joining together of two people in marriage needs to happen in the proper order: spiritual first, physical last.”

Again I don’t totally disagree with what she is saying.  But it really paints the physical relationship as this “forbidden territory.”

Mally and many church leaders, youth pastors, and purity retreat leaders fail to mention God’s beautiful design for sex.  God has an amazing purpose for creating men and female differently. They can enjoy intimacy in a marital relationship that brings joy and pleasure!

She makes it sound like the thoughts a girl has when she first lays on that special man are wrong.  The girl with a crush needs to be distracted and put these thoughts out of her head.  But what is these thoughts and feelings are part of God’s beautiful design?  How could we not find one another if we did not feel the sparks?  God says in Genesis that it is “not good for man to be alone.”  We need one another!

I cannot tell you how many girls and women have told me:  “I wish someone would have told me about sex rather than just handing me a book.” or  “I wish my parents would have sat down and talked to me about it rather than relying on Sex Education class at my school” or “I had questions about sex, but my parents were too embarrassed to talk about it” or worse yet, “They punished me for asking questions about private things.”  Or “All the church ever said was ‘wait before marriage.’  I waited.  Why do I have all these ‘intimacy problems’ in my marriage.  How did that happen?”

We cannot assume that when our daughters come to us and want to talk about sex, they are asking for permission to get on the birth control pill.  If they do not feel like they can talk to us because we are uncomfortable, embarrassed or overwhelmed, they are going to talk to someone else.  That “someone else” could be someone with less authority.  Or they will learn the “safe sex” agenda promoted by MTV which believes sex is OK as long as it is consensual and safe. Which is not an evil message.  But obviously it is not the whole message.

Purity Rings?  Contracts?  Are they even neccesary?  I don’t know.  What I do know is we need to be open and available.  We have to be comfortable with the “sexual” terms and be able to answer questions.  If our message is only “Do not,” we are not giving them the whole message.  That is OUR responsibility:  not the church’s, the youth leader’s, the school’s, nor MTV’s.


So what?

What if the prudes are wrong – and sex isn’t a necessary evil?  What if sexual pleasure is not only “tolerated” by God, but actually something that He intends for you to drink deeply of in your marriage?  What if some of the inhibitions that you’ve had lingering in the back of your mind for some time now stem from an inaccurate view of what you’ve been told about what the bible says?  What would it look like if you took to heart the message of the Song of Solomon?  What would it take to make this happen in your marriage?

Some years ago, someone became famous by writing a book (which led to a series of books) comparing women and men to Mars and Venus.  Most agree that men and women are sharply different.  It’s just as true when it comes to how we enjoy sexuality in its fullness. Husbands and wives have different needs, different desires, different understandings of what satisfaction means.

Rather than “Venus” and “Mars”, suppose that you and your spouse are both math books.  Romantic, right?  Your husband is your basic 3rd grade textbook.  You know – 3×4=12.  ¼ + ¼ = ½. “One train leaves Chicago at 9 AM, travelling at 50 MPH…”  Pretty basic stuff.  Stuff that a person can figure out without overheating the brain.  A wife is more like advanced trigonometry. Remember?  Sin, Cosin, Tangent?  tan (x / 2) = ± [(1 - cos x) /(1 + cos x)]1/2 ?  (And if the math book analogy doesn’t work for you, how about poetry?  Your husband: “Jack and Jill went up the hill…”  You: “If music be the food of love…”)

It’s meant as a compliment.

Sure,  trigonometry is a bit more work to figure out. You don’t get it the first try, but the potential and possibility is far greater.  That principle seems to hold true in the context of the marriage bed as well.  There is no small amount of evidence that
points to women having a (far) greater capacity for sexual enjoyment than their husbands– though achieving this fulfillment usually requires a bit more time, patience and practice.

If I were addressing your husbands – and maybe I am – I would challenge them by asking, “Are you selfless when it comes to your wife’s sexual fulfillment and enjoyment?” Husbands need to be committed to taking seriously the stuff they often don’t take seriously when it comes to helping their wives find enjoyment. Backrubs. Massage.  Affection during the day. Taking it s-l-o-w-l-y. Being willing to delay your fulfillment so that your wife can enjoy hers.  You need to be patient, not pushy or demanding or pouting.

And if I could be so bold as to address you, I would ask you to reflect on the way you pursue pleasure in your marriage.  Have you made your gratification a priority
that you pursue with purpose? Are you willing – and able – to articulate to your husband what you want and need sexually (‘cause we usually can’t figure it out on our own!)?  Or do you settle? Do you resign yourself to the idea that “it’s really more for him anyways…”?

Here’s the thing. Good husbands – and that’s a lot of them – are most sexually satisfied when their wives are sexually satisfied. Did you catch that?  Loving husbands enjoy sex most when their wives enjoy it most.  As a couple, are you willing to pursue this pleasure in one another?  Are you willing to be creative, spontaneous, curious and passionate about your pleasure?

One last thread to tie this all up.  Woven through the Song of Solomon is the
image of a Garden.  The bride is described as a Garden, locked up for her husband-to-be, and unlocked on their wedding day.  The two then enjoy the delights of sex in the beauty of an ancient garden.  The whole garden thing is no coincidence; after all, sex started in a Garden.  In paradise.  Song of Solomon is giving us a picture of what sex was—and is—supposed to be according to God’s “Garden-of-Eden” design.  Sex, the way the two lovers enjoy it in the Song is a return to Paradise!

May you and your beloved find mutual fulfillment as you embrace God’s garden together.


“I am my beloved and He is mine, His banner over me is love! His banner…over meeee….is loooove…”

As a fourth-grade class, we belted this song out as best we knew how.  It was, after all, a bible song.  A song with the words lifted right from somewhere in the Old Testament, praising God for his love for us, His children.  At least that’s what we assumed.

I chuckle at the mental image of elementary school kids, singing this song from the bottom of our hearts.  We figured we were singing about how much God loves us – and of course He does.  We figured we were singing words right out of the bible – and of course, we were, from right there in Song of Solomon (chapters 2 & 6).  The catch is, these words aren’t about God’s relationship between Him and His people; they were written as love poetry between a man and his bride!

Song of Solomon is one of those books in the bible that many of us don’t quite know what to do with. Read at face value, it’s pretty erotic stuff.  (If you’ve never read it through it in one sitting, take 20 minutes and read it today; you’ll gain a new appreciation for God’s design for our sexuality.) Consider a few verses:

“Your lips are like a scarlet ribbon; your mouth is lovely.” (4:3)

“His lips are like lilies dripping with myrrh. His arms are rods of gold set with topaz; his body is like polished ivory…His legs are pillars of marble…” (5:14-15)

“…if the pomegranates are in bloom, there I will give you my love.” (7:12)

And these are just the more “blog friendly” verses.  There are dozens of other verses, describing in poetic and vivid (if a bit unusual) detail the delight of every part of the human body.  Every part.  The question that has stumped pastors,
preachers, theologians (and fourth grade teachers!) for centuries is, “Why?”  Why is a book that is so graphic, so explicit, and so carnal in the bible anyway?

The simple answer is that God wants us to grasp that He designed sex for our pleasure.  Not just for pleasure of course, and not pleasure on our own terms, but for pleasure nonetheless.  Sex is supposed to be physical, sensual and passionate.  To enjoy sex most fully is to embrace the truth that God created us with bodies that are capable of immense pleasure.  Song of Solomon insists that our bodies are not just machines that pump blood and digest food and carry us from place to place.
Instead, God made us as creations with nerve endings and sensory receptors, people who have been made to enjoy touch, massage, kissing, and a wide range of sexual pleasure.   In this oft-neglected book of the bible, God gives his benediction on His gift of erotic desire.

Why do we need to know this? Because certain segments of our society have long insisted that pleasure isn’t God’s idea – especially when it comes to sex.  I know – there is also a large chunk of our culture that has radically diminished sex into nothing BUT “what feels good.”  But meanwhile – especially for those raised in a church setting – others have been taught to think that somehow, pleasure isn’t okay with God. That sex is strictly for procreation. That “spiritual” people avoid sex, or at least try to quell the urge as much as possible (Why, for example, do we talk about sex as “dirty” or “naughty”?).  Somehow, many have concluded that anything to do with our bodies is unspiritual, unchristian, even sinful, while only those things that enhance our spirit are “good”.  Women been have fed the lie that “nice girls don’t do that” (whatever “that” might happen to be) or that “sex is more for him, and you can’t really expect to enjoy it as much as your husband.”  In many ways, women have been made to feel inferior about their bodies (too fat, too thin, improperly shaped, too many wrinkles, not enough tone…) and when you dislike your body, it’s tough to embrace the idea that your body is designed for pleasure.

None of these attitudes fits with what the bible says about sex.  And just to reiterate – God’s plan for sex is not JUST for pleasure (I covered that in a previous post) and it’s not pleasure when and how we want (The Song of Songs lyrically conveys sex as a locked garden that is unlocked at the wedding altar). In fact, even within
marriage there are limits to what a couple ought to engage in.  The bottom line, however, is that God created us to enjoy the passion, the desire, the fulfillment and the physical delight that sex can bring.  He designed us to enjoy our bodies –including (especially?) our sexual side.

Tomorrow, I’ll expand a bit more on what this means for your marriage (and it’s not what you think). In the meantime, let me challenge you to reflect on your attitudes towards sex.  Deep down, is it possible that your views towards sex and pleasure have been jaded?  Is it possible that you have somehow woven pleasure and guilt together in a way that they don’t belong together?  Might you be restraining yourself from enjoying sexuality in its fullness, the way God intended?

- Written by Rob Toornstra – senior pastor, father of three, and my husband


Okay, here goes nothing. Amy asked me to write a guest post for mom’s about sex.

And if I were you, I’d be skeptical too.  I’m a man –who am I to write about sex from
a woman’s point of view?  What do I know about spending the day changing diapers, wiping up messes, calming down screaming kids, collapsing into bed, only to hear, “So, honey, are ya in the mood?  I admit you’ve got me there.  I’m not going to pretend to know what your day is like, and I’m not going to give you the “Nike  line” (you know, “Just do it!”).  I’m not going to lecture you about the emotional needs of men and women.

Instead, let me make two points.  First, the church has probably not done a very good job teaching you about sex. Oh, you’ve probably heard pastors, youth group leaders and well-meaning Christians say plenty about sex.  Even if you’ve never set foot inside a church building, you’ve heard the church speak loudly about sex – usually in the form of a negative.  “True Love Waits!” “Don’t do it!” “Sex Is God’s Wedding Gift; No Peaking!”  For the record, I believe that all these are true. But incomplete.

Consequently, a generation has been raised with a negative view of sex.  Many feel
subtle guilt – even within marriage – over sexual enjoyment.  Almost as though God were frowning when people have sex. Many women have been told that “good girls don’t do that sort of thing” and many women have resigned themselves to a mediocre sex life.  It’s a chore, one more thing to check off an already too long to-do list.  It’s something more for your husband’s enjoyment.

It’s impossible for me to *ahem* flesh out everything the bible has to say about sex here.  I want to offer you one idea towards a more complete and positive theology of
sex.   The story of sex begins already in the second chapter of the bible.  You probably
already know that Adam and Eve weren’t created wearing clothes.  In fact, the writer of Genesis goes out of his way to make that point; after a beautiful and theologically rich description of creation, the account culminates with this: “They were both naked and they felt no shame.” (Gen. 2:25) In fact, this is the very last word before sin enters the world.  What does it mean?

Biblically, to be naked is, among other things, knowing one another at the deepest level of our being. God made us for intimate, personal almost-sacred relationship with others.  In Eden, Adam and Eve were naked and that meant that they knew each other – mentally, emotionally, spiritually, and at a sexual level.  Intimacy was a complete package– far from being simply a physical act, sex was created as a way of sharing the totality of one’s being, right down to the most personal part of themselves: their sexuality.  Having sex was a part of sharing whole-person intimacy; Adam and Eve shared emotions, laughter, ideas, work, or beauty.  But the most personal layer of intimacy is sexuality, and in being “naked and unashamed” Adam and Eve were able to fill their need for deep intimacy.  In simple terms, sex is God’s way of allowing us to share connection at every level of our being.

What does that mean for your marriage today?  Primarily that sex is not – and was not –intended to be a physical act only. Couples get it wrong when they assume that sex is just a physical act.  Husbands get it wrong when they figure that their wives should be in the mood without putting in any effort to foster whole-person intimacy beforehand.  Wives get it wrong when they figure that their husbands are just looking for physical satisfaction.  Husbands and wives crave intimacy – you long to be known, and so does your husband.  You both go about it differently, of course.    For many wives, sex is the completion of intimacy.  That means that sex is what happens after the intimacy has been cultivated with your husband.  After he encourages you. Listens to you.  Shares himself with you.  When you feel close to him, you want to make love to him.  For many husbands, it’s the opposite. Husbands view sex as the beginning of intimacy.  Your husband usually doesn’t want sex just for a physical release or to “feel good”.  He wants sex because he wants to feel close to you.  For your husband, sex is where intimacy begins!

You can see how God created a symmetry here.  True intimacy is best cultivated when both husband and wife seek the needs of their spouse.  When husbands are sensitive to their wife’s need to build closeness beforehand.  When wives are sensitive to their husband’s need to build closeness through having sex.  True intimacy, then, requires a husband and wife to love the other person by setting aside their own needs, and looking to the needs of others.  Let me close by challenging you to discuss this with your husband.  How are you meeting each other’s needs?  How are you learning to “know” each other, heart, mind, soul and body?  May you seek to enjoy the goodness of Eden!

- Rob Toornstra is a pastor, father of three, and my husband.  :)



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